For a second time, recently, I get into discussions, trying to convince people why pedophilia is something bad. And I can't stop wondering what's wrong with those people. Interestingly enough, women tend to understand the problem more easily than men. Which is probably not very surprising. So, the first time I stumbled on this, I thought it's just peculiarity of the people I was talking to. But then, I had this unbelievable discussion in
physorg. And I simply couldn't believe my eyes. Some of those people even told me that pedophiles are just like gays few decades ago - misunderstood and hurt and we have to find a way to provide them child porn, so that they can feel satisfied and not hurt anyone. Because otherwise, if they molest a child, IT'S OUR FAULT!!!
I can hardly express my indignation on such idiot claim. But because I tend to believe the people I talk to are sane, I'll try to convince anyone reading at least my blog, why this is something bad. For the ones that are already convinced, I'll be happy to read your additional comments, because I'm really really amazed someone could doubt that.
First of all, what are pedophiles? Obviously, people who want to have sex with children. And we of course recall Lolita and the story of the good-hearted yet pervert Humbert Humbert who takes care of her, love her and have sex with her, even though she's what... 12?
He ends up in jail, she ends up as spoiled bitch. It's a nice book, a nice movie. But this is fiction.
In reality children are not protected by the good heart of the writer, who makes sure they are not harmed. In reality, a child is helpless and easy to be convinced to do whatever, depending of the age of the child. Candies, toys, money, care - it's easy to lie a child about what s/he really wants and to abuse his/her lack of experience and judgment. That is why, sex with children is illegal. That is why underage children are not responsible for their actions. Because the society judged them too young to bear the burden of that responsibility. Sure enough, a 16 years old person can marry and have children, s/he can work and live normally. A 15 years will be able to survive as well. Even a little kid can eventually survive without proper care. But is this a question of survival? Should a child be put into that position? What kind of citizen such a child will make?
Unfortunately, there are many abused children. Some of them grow up to be normal and happy. Most of them don't. But the very fact that some of them survive ok, doesn't mean abuse on children is ok. That we have to push everyone to the extremes of misery by default. If we want our society to become better and happier, that's hardly a good idea. Most children victims of abuse, grow up just like the people who hurt them. Do we need more abusers? And sexual abuses are quite nasty, because they leave you confused. The child may know it's wrong, but still to love his/her father (or other abuser), just because the abuser is the one (or one of the people) who takes case or him/her. You can't hate someone who provide your needs. Yet, you'll hate him(or maybe her), because you know it's wrong and that you have to. In the end, you'll end up pretty messed up, even if generally alive.
Second point - the question of when a person should be legally free to participate in sex (age of consent). The law in most countries sets this age between 14 and 16, meaning any sex under that age is RAPE! Nothing more and nothing less. That doesn't mean young people don't have sexual desires - they do. The important point is that they are not responsible for their desires, the adults are. In which case a person under 14 cannot seduce an adult (even if/when s/he wants to), because it's the adult who's in charge. You have sex with a person under 14 - you go in jail. No exceptions! (of course, there can be exceptions under certain circumstances, but it's not the point - it's still a rape!) I spent some time talking to a person arguing that if the child wanted it, it's not rape. It was about a 11 years old gypsy girl in Bulgaria who got pregnant and gave birth. The father was 26. And that person claimed that a 11 years old child can desire sexual intercourse and can be responsible for that. Which is crazy. Even if that girl knew what sex is (which she by the way didn't know - because she said "we went to sleep and then I got pregnant", she didn't even know what a condom is or how not to get pregnant), even if she had the idea she may want to try it, that doesn't mean that someone should show her what it is. If she's desperate about sex, she can get it without involving other people. Because according to law, anyone who has sex with her will be a criminal and a rapist. And again, should go to jail and spend some happy time with his inmates.
Now - let's move on to child pornography. As defined by law: "
Under federal law (18 U.S.C. §2256), child pornography is defined as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where
- the production of the visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
- the visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
- the visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct. "
The age of "minors" is 18! First why should it be 18? Because on that age, one will be sued like adult in court. People under that age are not supposed to be in filmed having sex at least because they will require a parent permission to do so, and the law cannot distinguish between the will of the person or his/her parents which may lead to violations. Note, such pornography is illegal not only for filming, it's also illegal for watching or distributing. Why? Because the very filming is a crime. That crime is filmed for profit, thus if you watch it, you're an accomplice (you're paying for it). And you're heading for jail as well.
Now, I absolutely agree with that law, with the slight comment that when we're talking for the age 16-18, it's hard for the viewer to be sure about the age of the porno stars. So in these cases, maybe watching the movies shouldn't be illegal (as long as the actors look above 18 and the movie claims they are above 18) , only producing it. But this is just an opinion, the law is preventive and that's not bad in that case. However, when we're speaking of obviously minor participants, for me it's more than obvious why people who watch this and don't report it, should head for jail too. I'm sure you all know what kind of perversions exist - there are all over the news, I don't intend to repeat them here. Any such act of violation should lead to a lot of years in prison for the one who did it and for everyone who paid for it.
So what pissed me off in the discussion in physorg? That some people think it's ok to show such pornography to pedophiles, just to keep them away from children! That it's ok to sacrifice someone's pictures of abuses, to keep those perverts satisfied! I can't even imagine how sick you have to be to say this. Their argument "the molestation is already a fact, anyway, thus we can use it to prevent another one from happening". NO! A child may not have all the rights of an adult, but s/he still owns his/her body and the rights over his/her images. Recently a victim of abuse who now is adult sued everyone who watched her abuse for very good money. Is this what should happen for such sick people to understand this is wrong? You can't show the images of someone without an explicit consent, and since a child cannot give that consent, it's forbidden. Period. And the way to deal with pedophiles is to put them in jail if they have harmed anyone or under treatment and observation if they still haven't. You don't feed their desires with visual stimulation - that's not going to sooth them, but it will make them even more hungry. You don't sacrifice one child for another! You pay the police to protect each and everyone of us. They are the ones that have to protect the children, this is their duty.
The very fact I'm writing this makes me feel dirty. This should be obvious to everyone. Yet, people fail to understand why child pornography is wrong. They fail to understand why watching it and distributing it is wrong. They say - "it's not a crime to watch a crime". No, it's not, when there's nothing you can do to stop it. But when you pay to watch it, then you're an accomplice. And even if you downloaded it for free, it's still a crime. Because you're being a part of the network.
Finally, the ultimate argument that made me stop participating in that discussion was the comparison of pedophiles with gays. No, it's not the same. Gays have sex with each other, being adults and thus having the right to consent. Nobody gets hurt, nobody get abused. It's not the same like the SM-guys too. As long as you have the right of consent and you give it, it's ok. But a child is helpless. S/he cannot protect him/herself. The only option children have is the society to make sure no one abuses them. And that's why the laws are so severe. There is NO comparison with any other forms of sex. The key word is consent - voluntary sex is ok, abuse is wrong. And pedophiles are not a minority that the majority abuses - if we didn't leave in democracy and a society, the moment they touch a child, his/her parents will make very sure that guy would never EVER lay a finger on another child. But since we live in a society and we don't encourage physical justice, then we have to be sure our laws are just as strict. Sure, there always will be abused people, the key moment is what we do with the offenders. And that's send them to jail. I won't sorry for them. I may sorry only people who voluntarily go to treatment, because they know their desires are wrong and they want to fight them. Those are the real people who deserve respect for their honesty and their willingness not to harm other people. Anyone else - in jail.
Below are few points of my futile attempt to convince some people they are VERY wrong.
"While normal porn is showing consenting adults, there is no such thing like a consenting child in porn (at least not legally). Every child filmed into porn is molested and thus, there is no thing like "harmless child pornography". That's why even watching it without reporting it should be a crime. Because even if the pedophile isn't molesting his nephew, a child is being molested to film the porn"
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PinkElephant - 20 hours ago
By the time pornographic images or videos are being distributed, the child in question already has been molested. Whether or not anyone is watching the record of that crime, doesn't change that fact: the crime has already long since occurred. Therefore, watching child porn is NOT equivalent to commission of child abuse: not any more so, than watching a film of murder is equivalent to actually committing the murder.
But here's the main point: perhaps widely available recordings of past crimes, could help reduce the incidence of future crimes, by preventive fulfillment of pedophiles' sexual fantasies.
denijane:
As for "preventive fulfillment of pedophiles' sexual fantasies", the only fulfillment they should have should be by their mates in prison.
Because this isn't a harmless fantasy, this is something that HARMS people, just like a fantasy of a murder can't be harmless. You don't kill people, YET. But there's no guarantee you won't do it, if you feel ok to imagine it with details.
@denijane,
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Pedophiles=rapist! There are no Lolitas in reality, this is fiction, the story of a sick man and a stupid girl. In reality Lolita cannot be under 14, at least legally, because the law doesn't accept children can have sexual desires. A child is a child and s/he's not responsible for her/his actions. You're the adult, you're responsible and if you're idiot enough to touch a child, you must be in jail. Gays have nothing to do with it.